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December 18, 2005

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alvarohurtado

Maybe it won't, just yet, but the alternative wasn't exactly going to do that either.

It's an obvious fact that irregular forces have been manipulating elections in Colombia on a local level for years, and will continue to do so regardless of whether ambassador Wood expresses his concerns about it or not, or whether Uribe is using kid gloves or not.

Why, even Myles Frechette himself mentioned that it wasn't only the paramilitaries that were guilty of that, but also the guerrillas and more traditional criminal organizations. Apparently that is quite easy to overlook, but he did say that.

However, the fact that many of the paramilitaries are at least engaged in a negotiation and demobilization process (imperfect as it may be) implies that part of their involvement will be easier to control and police than it would be otherwise. To predict that their involvement will automatically increase, no matter what, is a questionable statement that evades many of the finer points of the discussion.

But if it's just a matter of preventing elephants from entering into the rooms, for the sake of "moral clarity", then Mr. Frechette isn't exactly the person best suited to talk about that either. He wasn't exactly that good of a zookeeper, in his day.

Randy Paul

At least he was consistent in his condemnation of the paramilitaries and the Peace and "Justice" Law. Wood condemns them and alternately softpedals criticism of them Advantage Frechette.

You might want to take a look at this exchange between Frechette and Wood (scroll down).

To predict that their involvement will automatically increase, no matter what, is a questionable statement that evades many of the finer points of the discussion.

Oh really? Where do you get your information from? Read this:

Far-right Colombian paramilitaries, responsible for many of the country's worst mass-killings, said on Monday they want the government to award them seats in Congress in return for laying down weapons.

[...]

AUC political chief Ivan Roberto Duque said he would ask for two seats in Congress for his organization. With reporters present, he handed in his weapons, as did 2,000 AUC fighters with him, in compliance with government peace talks.

alvarohurtado

It can be pretty easy to issue widespread condemnations of everything from a position of "moral clarity" when you aren't really going to be involved with, nor actually held responsible for, what's going to happen either way.

My opinions about the Peace and Justice Law do not easily mesh with yours, since I think that despite its flaws it's hardly automatically going to be useless, unless its boycotted to death by the very people that supposedly want something better (but they have no problems about sinking the ship and getting nothing in the meanwhile).

I get my information from several different places, something which actually provides a better representation of reality's diversity than simply choosing a partyline and sticking to it.

That declaration from Ivan Roberto Duque didn't occur in a vacuum, you know, and he later specified that the two seats they are requesting would be for the 2010 elections, not the 2006 ones. Small point, but worth mentioning, since, provided that the conditions are met, it is not entirely unreasonable given past precedents.

Note, however, that I didn't outright deny that their involvement could increase. I'm just not automatically assuming that it will, before the elections have even begun.

Randy Paul

Even M19 actually ran for office after they demobilized.

I get my information from several different places, something which actually provides a better representation of reality's diversity than simply choosing a partyline and sticking to it.

So do I. Very little of the mainstream world media seems to be anything but lukewarm at best to the Peace and "Justice" Law.

Your comment about Frechette is absolutely ad hominem. God forgive him for opposing impuntiy for a terrorist organization.

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